Jessica Fein

Welcome. I'm Jessica fein, and this is the I don't know how you do it podcast where we talk to people whose lives seem unimaginable from the outside and dive into how they're able to do things that look undoable. I'm so glad you're joining me on this journey, and I hope you enjoy the conversation.

 When I first learned about today's guest, Bunny Young, what struck me was that her husband was in the military, stationed overseas while she was home, raising two daughters and tending to the five businesses she owns. But that's not all. When she was a teenager, Bunny was diagnosed with a life threatening heart condition that led her to getting a service dog. Today, she's known to many as Bunny with six legs, because wherever she goes, her service dog goes with her. And then for the icing on the cake, Bunny is also a former stuntwoman. You can see why I wanted to meet her. What struck me about our conversation is how Bunny's diagnosis immediately changed her perspective on life, even as a teenager, and how those mind shifts have been put into play all these years later. As a serial entrepreneur, Bunny is the author of Paw Prints on My Heart about life with her service dog, Goose. She's the founder of A Better Place, consulting chairwoman for a service animal nonprofit, facilitator of equine, professional development, retreats and so much more. I'm so excited to bring you Bunny Young. Hello, Bunny. Thank you for joining me today.

Bunny Young
Such a pleasure. I'm so stoked to be here.

 Jessica Fein
And I must say, out of anybody I've spoken to, you are sitting in just the coolest booth situation. I don't even know what it is, but it looks so awesome. Like, maybe you're at Dave and Busters, I don't know. Or maybe you're in a special podcast recording studio. Either one. But it's looking very kind of like neon arcade.

 Bunny Young
Yeah, Dave and Buster doesn't have this kind of set up and equipment.

 Jessica Fein

 I guess you're right. So let's start at the beginning, not at the total beginning of your story, but we're going to go back many years. Let's talk about what happened when you were 14.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah.

 Jessica fein

You were diagnosed with a heart condition, and you had a really unusual response to getting that diagnosis.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah. It's only unusual now, looking back at it, but for me, it was being given a permission slip to not have to wait until I was an adult to have what I wanted. It gave me this permission to live my life today because tomorrow wasn't guaranteed. And I don't mean that in a way that I ate whatever I wanted and I did whatever I wanted. The best way I can put it is that I was like, here's my purpose. I know that my purpose is this. And I don't have to be distracted by these other things because I'm going to live my purpose out loud today, authentically, and not try to hide myself or live inauthentically to waste this life. And not that I was told that I would die, but I was told that I would have to live life differently. And that's exactly what I did. I lived it really differently than a lot of individuals my age. I moved down to Ecuador and volunteered in an orphanage right out of high school and just kind of followed my passion for a great many years instead of what I perceived to be a prescription for my life.

 Jessica fein

 It's so interesting because, first of all, you were so young. So to be able to have that kind of wherewithal and to say, I'm going to make meaning out of this rather than I'm going to go crawl under the bed. But how did you, even at that age, know what your purpose was? I mean, I feel like I'm still trying to figure it out.

 Bunny Young

 It's a really great question because I don't think that I had the words around it. I knew what living my life in alignment felt like, and I knew what living my life through external validation felt like. I had been a model since a really young age. And I continued modeling, but I no longer looked at my value through the photographer's lens or through the agents lens. I was showing up to do this thing I didn't really enjoy, but I enjoyed the freedom that working for a living provided me, as ironic as that sounds now, doing what I did to being an entrepreneur.

 Jessica fein

 Right.

 Bunny Young

But it was very like, I'm going to do this and make this amount of money in an hour and a half or 3 hours or whatever it is, and then go get the truck that I want. And so it was like, here's this thing that I know is not my purpose. I know I'm not going to continue modeling. And I think, to your point, going a long life, kind of experiencing things and checking in with yourself, not just going to the next thing, but really taking a moment to really reflect and be like, was that me? Was that for me? Was that optimal in my life? And honestly, to get deep quick. But I think that's honestly, what COVID did for us is it gave us like a moment to pause. Does this work for me?

 Jessica fein

 I totally agree. And I think that it was strange because it was a collective breather, if you will. And I think for people who have experienced really intense things, as you have with this diagnosis earlier, as I have with a lot of loss, we might pause more often, but we're kind of doing it on our own. And COVID was like, everybody taking a time out.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah, exactly. And there are people that are like, my husband's military. He didn't necessarily get that time out, but it was a period that he was able to reflect on what really mattered. And some really great conversations and clarity came up in my family because I'd been having these conversations of, does that really matter? I know I frustrate my mom because I went to school. My undergraduates in political science and psychology, so I had every intention of going to school to be a civil rights lawyer. And this is probably where it comes from, is that my mom will be telling me something, and I'm like, Relevance. And she's like, It's a story. It's not a court case.

 Jessica fein

 I could see where that would be so great and grounding and inspiring and also maybe a little annoying.

 Bunny Young

Yeah, but it's like, so you're on this path. Imagine in your life you're on this path, and you get diagnosed with a heart condition, and then it's like you're going to school, and you've got to take X amount of credits in order to get X amount of general education. You kind of just take a step back, and you're like, relevance. Why does this matter in the long term? And little tiny things in my life, like my prom dress not working out, ended up just in the grand scheme of things. I feel like in a lot of ways, I grew up really quickly, even before the heart diagnosis. And then in a lot of ways, I feel like it's not necessarily growing up into being an adult, but it's like growing up into awareness, really. It was kind of like growing in and really learning more about myself outside of what society thought I should be doing, wearing, feeling, thinking, showing up as.

 Jessica fein

 Okay, I think growing in might be my new favorite way to think about things rather than growing up. I love that. And it doesn't matter what age you are, because there are plenty of people who are objectively grown up who are not grown in. And here you were, 14 years old, and it sounds like you just had an amazing perspective, something that some people just never, ever get. So you're 14, and then just a few years later, you get a service dog. How did having a service dog change things for you either, in terms of how you felt you were showing up in the world? And how did it change the way people were looking at you?

 Bunny Young

 Well, it's really interesting because as an individual with a disability that is invisible. So having a heart condition, until I had a service animal, there were a lot less conversations about it. Right now, I have this living, breathing he's sleeping right here next to me with this living, breathing representation of my disability. The first thing that I had asked my doctor is, I'm not deaf and I'm not blind, so how can I use a service animal? And that's the conversation that I guess I manifested with a lot, like, hundreds of people. They're like, Why do you need a service dog? Well, because I have a heart condition. What does the dog do for you? It's like, well, she can hear when my heart rate goes too fast or too slow, and she can help me stand up from a seated position, and she can help me walk when I get dizzy. And my first service dog at the time had been trained to do a body drag because I was collapsing a lot. And so she could drag my body out of the street, she could get my medication, my cell phone, just a myriad of incredible things. And she's a big, huge mastiff. So she also didn't look like a lab or a golden retriever. And when I wrote the book from a perspective of an individual with a disability and their service animal, one of the things that I said is, like, Sassy, my first service dog, challenged the perception of what a service animal looked like. What I realized now is that I was challenging the perception of what an individual with the disability looked like when I was 17 and put us together, and you just have like, Wait, what? And so, you know, I'm bringing a mastiff into a bar because not at 17. I didn't do that. Mom.

 Yeah. To, you know, and to school, to my classes, having this conversation with professors. And so I got a really quick crash course in advocating for yourself at a really young age. And that's the biggest shift, or that's the biggest thing as far as to answer your question is, like, how my life changed was I immediately had to start advocating for myself. And that's why I say Bunny with six legs is because every word out of my mouth or action that I take behavior to advocate for my service animal is advocating for myself as well. And so it's from restaurants to airplanes to all of this kind of stuff, it's like my right to take up space in this world, and I can do most everything that everybody else can. I just do it with six legs instead of two.

 Jessica fein

 Did you feel like you were having to answer questions that you didn't want to answer?

 As you say, you went from having an invisible disability to having a service animal.

 And I imagine it's kind of like when you're out and about and you're pregnant, people feel like they can just come up to you and touch your belly. And I feel like going out and about with a service animal, people feel like they can just approach you and ask whatever it is they want.  It's an invitation for them to engage.

 And did that sometimes feel invasive?

 Bunny Young

 Oh, yeah. A really good example of this is we just went to Disneyland a couple of weeks ago, and I had people coming up to take a selfie with my service animal. It's like, you don't roll up to somebody in a wheelchair and just like take a selfie without any kind of conversation, just period. People will ask me, can I take a picture of him? Because he's 165 pound. Great dame. When we went to Europe this summer, I realized that that is the largest dog that many people have seen. In some cases, largest animal that some people have seen in person. And so I try to take it with a grain of empathy and compassion, but at the same time I get sometimes caught into these loops of feeling like I'm having to justify not just my service animal's presence, but my presence and the questions about like, how much does he weigh, how much does he eat? I'm literally walking in an airport and people will be like, does he fly with you? Oh, no, I'm just taking a stroll through the airport.

 Jessica fein

 We're just here to hang out.

 Bunny Young

 I think that sometimes people don't think is what I've learned, but I also believe that whether through Internet or social media or whatever it is we've created this false sense of confidence on I can ask you a question to make me feel better versus me doing my own education for myself. They'll ask me all sorts of questions. Oh, here's a really good one. My mom got out of surgery having her well, I won't get into that because it's her personal health information. But she just got out of surgery, and her surgeon walks up and goes, oh, I just got one of those vests for my dog. Because we want to take them down to Outer Banks and we don't want to pay the pet deposit fee. And I'm like, Why on earth would you tell me me this? First, is my mom okay? And then second, I took him out in the hallway and pretty much schooled him and my dad's like, Are you good? And I was like, yeah, I'm good. And my mom was like, what happened? Like, nothing. And I told her later, but I felt like I should not have been in that position to have to take a doctor aside, an educated doctor, about basic service animal rights, basic disability rights. And there's a lot of examples that I could give around that. But it's so interesting about the question of what kind of responsibility do I have as the individual with a service animal in order to educate the public? Which obviously I do a lot of speaking about it. I want to be able to walk through LaGuardia Airport without having to do 15 Ted Talks. And it's also the energy with how it's asked too.

 Jessica fein

 Yeah, and also for you to be able to decide, as you're saying, this is the time when I want to be talking about it, when I want to be addressing this group, and this is the time when I just want to be boarding this plane, as you say. It's kind of the intrusiveness of people feeling like it's OK to ask. It's interesting. My daughter's disability was quite visible. She had a tree, and she was attached to a ventilator, and she was in a wheelchair. And I went back and forth between feeling like it's better to ask at times than it is to stare, because we got so much staring, or, like, conscious, avoiding turning their head. And I'm like, gosh, this is just a kid. She just wants to talk. She just wants to engage, but not necessarily to be educating, but also not to have people look away, try and be polite by looking away. So it's hard. I think it can go either way.

 Bunny Young

 I'm only laughing because I feel that having a disability somehow making you an other or invisible. I've had people sitting 18 inches away from me having a conversation about the fact that my service animal shouldn't be allowed on the plane because he's too big. And then, you know, I've had people say some pretty terrible things like, oh, you know, she doesn't actually have a disability. And it's like, do you want to see my scars? And so when you're saying about the avoidance, I'm not laughing out of it being funny. I'm laughing out of remembering those times where I feel like I was rendered transparent because of my disability. It mainly happens to our family at restaurants where people just feel like they can act a certain way and that it's okay to not be a decent human.

 Jessica fein

 Let's fast forward a little bit. You become, against what might seem like all odds, a stunt woman, which seems a little bit surprising. You have a heart condition.

 Bunny Young

 Counterintuitive.

 Jessica fein

 Counterintuitive. There you go. That's the word I was looking for. So how in the world I mean, you were a model and you didn't really like it, but you got the truck. You did. It was a means to an end, and then you become a stump woman. I got to tell you, I have never personally known a stump woman, so this is really cool for me to be able to talk to you about it. How in the world did that happen?

 Bunny Young

 Well, the good news is there's a ton of us, so power to women who stunt.

 Jessica fein

 Well, I've never known a stunt man either.

 Bunny Young

 Well, I'll introduce you to my husband, and then he can't say that, and he's really responsible for it. So my husband and I met on a movie studio, and when we met, he was in the process of looking at different contracts, and we had actually gone out to Los Angeles and done some meetings with different directors out there. And he got a contract offer in northeastern China outside of Dalian to do stunts for a year. And he asked if I could come, and they said, well, she can, but she has to be married. Like, you guys have to be married because we're going into a communist country. Ironically enough, my father in law is a pastor. And so he married us, and we took off to China. And shortly before we took off, I messaged his boss and was like, I'm really not good at doing idleness for a year. Are there any positions open? And he's like, well, we've got a lead position. And I was like, sure. So I went over there. No stunt training, no knowledge of that. Got a crash course in stunt, then all things stunts, and auditioned. And one of my favorite stunts that I was really successful at is a face first Aussie rappel, which is, ironically, my husband's least favorite stunt. And it was my favorite. And so they had created this role that had this base first Aussie rappel in heels, if you want to imagine, like, a Bonnie and Clyde type show. And I was Bonnie, and my husband was the detective chasing Bonnie and Clyde. So every single day for our first year of marriage, four or five times a day, I got to shoot at my husband, light him on fire, hit him with a car, and then kiss another man and get paid for it. This was our entire first year of marriage.

 Jessica fein

 That could have gone in either direction, right?

 Bunny Young

 I was like, this is pretty amazing. Plus, when you don't overthink, it what your body is capable of. And I will put a disclaimer here that I did end up in the hospital once in China from overdoing it with my heart. And it's a live action stunt show, so if you've ever seen one of those, you've got the cast members that are running around for the entire 30 minutes. I think, though, that the thing that I want to focus more on is all of the days that I wasn't in the hospital, all the days that I was out there enjoying my life, all the days that I was out there with my husband and just kind of following again that permission and that life's purpose. I felt like I wanted to be with this person, and I also felt like I didn't want to sit and do nothing in China for a year. And so I kind of just use that drive. You can call it ambition, you can call it purpose, whatever it was, to say, look, how can I be of use? And for that year, I ended up teaching English as a second language. I ended up working six days a week as a stunt woman. And then for some reason on our set, we didn't have an EMT and we didn't have a seamstress. And so I ended up fulfilling both of those roles, which came in really handy when we had a broken arm of one of our motorcycle riders, and then another woman who was on the set ended up breaking her nose and both of her wrists, and we didn't have an EMT.

 Jessica fein

 I'm the mother of an EMT, so I find that really fascinating. So first of all. It is crazy to think there was a stunt show without having an EMT there.

 Bunny Young

 There were a lot of things that were crazy to think about when they were building our set. They were plugging power tools in with just, like, the wires, no surge protector, nothing like that. And you got live pyrotechnics that you're handling every single day. And we would have to walk into the park, and so we'd walk through the park, and they were fixing the bottom of the bridge that we were walking over, and it was one guy dangling over the bridge with a power tool and the other guy holding his ankles. And the thought came into my mind of, like, if this bridge is broken, why are we walking on it? And especially the second thought was, Well, Bunny, if that's how they built the bridge, and that's how they're fixing the bridge, why are you walking on it? But it was a great perspective as somebody who had not really been off the North American continent to speak of. And I'd been to Ecuador, and so I'd been to South America briefly, and so it was my first real clue at they're not doing it wrong. They're just not doing it the way that you're used to. And I think that goes back to what you and I were talking about with our lives. Whether it's being the parent of an individual with a disability or being an individual with a disability, it's like you can't do life wrong. You just do life differently. And people may perceive it as wrong because it doesn't look like, quote unquote, normal or what they're used to. And at the end of the day, it's still your life, and it's still your job to live it. And so your big question that you get of, like, how do you do it all? Until people ask that question, I never really stopped to consider, oh, yeah, you've been a stuntwoman and an EMT and started multiple companies and had kids against heart condition odds. It's like, as much as I do stop and take inventory. And I'm grateful for those things until somebody else brings their perception of how my life should have looked with all of these things, I don't really have anything to reconcile it against, because it is my life. It's what I've lived. And to say it's not normal, I mean, normal is the setting on a washing machine, so I don't really know what's normal.

 Jessica fein

 I feel the exact same way. You just do what you're doing, and you go about and you're living your way, and then when somebody else comes to you and says, how do you do it? I don't know how you do it right. That's when you pause and you're like, I don't know. This is just what I do. But you do realize that everybody's lens is what's shading the way they're seeing what you're doing and not being able to understand. I mean, for me, when I first heard your story, it wasn't even any of the things that we've talked about so much that made me say, wow, it was my husband's in the military overseas. I'm here holding down the fort with the family and running five businesses. That, to me, was like, wow. I mean, how in the world like, first of all, how many hours do you have in your day that you are running five businesses and doing a lot of that single handedly when your husband was stationed overseas?

 Bunny Young

So there's one big differentiation I will make, is that I own five companies, and I choose consciously not to run them on a day to day basis. I choose to outsource and delegate to an incredible team. And for me, as a third generation entrepreneur, even though that was the one thing I grew up saying I didn't want to be as an entrepreneur. If we tie back in what I learned as a stunt woman, it's the value of having a team surrounding you. And if you just think about the stunt show or even a movie, if I played all those roles, it would not be a great movie. It would not be a great stunt show, and I would be exhausted. And that's how I started my companies, is trying to fulfill all of the roles. And then when I learned how to develop a team that I trusted and that was even better at executing than I was, because everybody's in their zone of genius in their lanes, fulfilling 100% of the time versus me trying to do it 5% of the time in 100 different areas. That's really when I learned the difference between creating a really expensive job for yourself and creating a company. Also, when I lay my head down at night, being the owner of five companies means that I have all of these individuals and families that I do feel responsible for, because their income and their family's lifestyle depends on these companies. And so on average, since my car accident that I, on top of my heart conditions, got a brain injury from the first nine months after my car accident, I did nothing. I could not look at a phone, could not look at a computer or anything. After that, my assistant ended up calling me, and she would read every single email, every single message, and I would verbally respond. And that's still what we do today. There is not a single day that I, quote unquote, work more than 30, 45 minutes at a stretch, and not a single day that I've worked over 4 hours ever, because since the car accident, I can't. And even if I have a four hour day, I will probably have two days of rest. When you and I had our conversation, I was sitting in the middle of my living room because getting dressed it may sound privileged, but it's like getting dressed, getting in a car navigating into the studio to record a podcast is in total 3 hours of work. And when you start to be really intentional with your time and don't assume you have an eight or a ten hour work day or even week, you start to see the things that really, really matter. And so it goes back to the day that I got my diagnosis of having a heart condition. It's like, what do you want to do? Do what matters. And there are people listening to this being like, yeah Bunny, but I've got to make a paycheck. But if you design systems and you design automations and you can delegate to people that you trust, then it's a beautiful kind of thing. So it's just about like you talked about with those lenses that you put on and the restrictions that you have.

 Jessica fein

 I'd love the idea though of really exploring what matters. And I think a lot of times we wait until we have a horrible diagnosis or we wait until there's a global pandemic. And I wonder how we can get to the place where pausing and doing that introspection and thinking about what matters and acting on it becomes more part of the ongoing way we live and not just our response to external factors.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah, let's play with that for a second if we want to get proactive on it. If I came to you and said, I'm hypothetically going to give you this heart condition diagnosis and you have six months to live, what matters, I guarantee just from our short relationship, there'd be travel, there would be family, there'd be laughter. And why wait for that imaginary diagnosis? For that?

 Jessica fein

 Yes. Why wait? I'm a big believer in why wait. And again, I think that's being somebody who has been front row seat to so much loss, you realize another thing that I know that you're a big believer in is making things simple. Yeah, and I think that's great and I think we'd all like things to be simple rather than complicated. But practically speaking, how have you been able to simplify? I mean, one of the things that you said is that you have really been not only open but very proactive to delegating and to having support. But how else do you make things simpler when you've got a lot of complexity? Let's be honest.

 Bunny Young

 I think looking at it outside in, I do. But I think at the end of the day, my purpose is to make this world a better place. And so who I am, like this rental car that I've driven through life for 35 years has many dings and many, you know, issues with it as you could probably look at it from the outside in and I look at it as character. And so when I'm thinking about simplifying, I guess I ask myself a couple of questions. Does it need to be done? Yes or no? Do I need. To do it, yes or no? And do I need to do it today, yes or no? I went through that when my husband was coming home. I wanted to get the house cleaned and the deck stained, and I wanted to do a couple of other things, and I'm like, okay, does it need to be done at the end of the day, the house cleaned? Yes. The deck stained? Not really. Do I need to do it? Absolutely not. And do I need to do it today? No.

 Jessica fein

 Love that little litmus test. I'm totally going to use that. I may even have some stickies, I'm not going to lie, that will say, does it need to be done? Does it need to be done by me, and does it need to be done today? I love that.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah. And I also use it so simple. But I have this tool that I've adapted. It's called the Eisenhower Matrix, and I don't think Eisenhower cares that I've adapted it, but you basically make a matrix that is his is important, and urgent is the top left category, and mine is important and love or I've also done love and makes money. And then, of course, you go into the other one, say, love and doesn't make money, don't love but makes money and don't love and don't make money. And it ends up all kind of the same as far as you looking at the quadrants. And if you're just listening to this, it'll be a little difficult to imagine. So you can DM me, and I'll send it to you. But the first one, whether it's love and make money or whether it's important and urgent, that's your do quadrant. And then that second quadrant, that's like, I love, but it doesn't make me money. Or it's important, but it's not urgent. That's your schedule quadrant, and you're going to schedule everything that lands in that quadrant. And then the don't love but makes money or the urgent, but it's not important. That's your delegate quadrant, and so you outsource delegate automate everything in that quadrant. Somebody else does it, because if you don't love to do it, there's somebody that loves to do it that can do it better. And people ask me all the time, well, if I pay them $20, then I don't have the money in my income coming into it. Well, with that hour that you're giving them and paying them the $20, you go do something else. Take a nap. Trust me, you'll get a return on investment.

 Jessica fein

 Yes. There's no bigger ROI than taking a nap.

 Bunny Young

 Yeah, exactly. There are so many things right now in both of our lives and in the people listening to this that you've flirted with saying, do I really need to do that? And I'd challenge you to put it on pause, maybe for a day, maybe for a week. I mean, I played with this. I put my phone down, like, in a drawer for 24 hours. That 24 hours I knew my husband was going to be home. I knew my kids were going to be home. And I'm like, okay, who else do I really I mean, that's the only reason that I have my phone on me other than my mom. But my dad was going to be with my mom, and there's so, so many times that I pick up my phone, and 15 minutes later, I have no idea what I was doing. And so I put it in a drawer for 24 hours, and then for the next week, I had to declare out loud what I was picking up my phone for. And it was the most fun and ridiculous exercise because be like setting an alarm clock for tomorrow. My husband would be like, well, can't you just do that on the Amazon device? Like, yeah, this is true, right? I'm like, checking my email. Do I need to do that? Then you get to this mindlessly scrolling on Instagram. You're like, oh, that sounds dumb. Yeah, no, I'm not going to do that. Take a photo, and you're in a restaurant. This is what comes out of my mouth. Picking up my phone to take a photo of my food, to post it on my Instagram page. No. Picking up my phone to take a video to document date night. No. The funny thing is that my phone connects to my watch because I have a heart monitor on my watch. And so if my heart gets to a certain point, my phone can text people. And so what ended up happening is I would get text messages on my watch, and I wouldn't want to pick up my phone, and it was too complicated to text people back on my watch. And so the only thing that got done was when people would call. I'd swipe on my watch and answer it. But it was like, eight calls in a week, and somehow, some way, the companies didn't burn to the ground. Instagram didn't go under for me, not posting it was a beautiful exercise just to represent the complexity of life and how much we say, I don't have the time for that, or My life is so overwhelming, I don't even know where to start. It's like, start with just one thing to simplify your life. And what would that look like? I have no notifications. My assistant had texted me today, and she was like, I'm going to go through your inbox, just so you know, because our office is closed until the 15th. I'm going through your inbox and deleting a bunch of stuff. And I'm like, I don't have any notifications on my phone. The only thing that happens on my phone is you can call it or you can text it, but it's on perpetual silence. Like, the only way I answer the phone is that I see it or my watch buzzes. And surprisingly enough, the world goes on.

 Jessica fein

The world goes on.

 Bunny Young

 Absolutely.

 Jessica fein

 And you know, it's interesting because you're talking about people feeling like, oh, but I can't, and I have so much to do and I'm so busy and I don't have the time, I don't have the time. Well, you just said you haven't worked more than 4 hours in a day and you've run five companies and you've done a tremendous amount and had a huge impact on so many people through your writing, through your coaching, through your leading, through your sharing. And you've done that in working 4 hours a day. It can be done.

 Bunny Young

 And asking yourself if you're the only person on the face of the planet that can do that. Be where your feet are. And that alone simplifies the overwhelm that's going on in your brain. It's just a really incredible gift that you can give yourself to be who you are, where you are right now with 100% presence. And it's a great gift to give your family as well.

 Jessica fein

 Well, I know that people who are listening are going to want more of you. So how do people find you? They might want your matrix. They might just want to be able to download more you-ness into their day to day. So how do they do that?

 Bunny Young

 Well, I try to put as much me-ness as I can for free up on our site, Bunnyyoung.com. So that's kind of the best place to go and connect. And then if you want the matrix or if you want anything else to discuss from what you heard today again on Instagram, it's the best way to DM me. It's at Bunny has 6 legs and it's the number six. And I respond to my DMs, so you can just DM me and I'll make sure that you get that link over. Yeah, I absolutely love connecting and love connecting with people who want to make a difference in this world and have both income and impact in this world.

 Jessica fein

 Well, thank you so much and I've loved connecting with you and I'm just so grateful that we got to spend this time together and for your candor and insights. So thank you.

 Bunny Young

 It was absolutely my honor. Thank you for having me so much. Sending love.

 Jessica fein

 Okay, here are my takeaways from today's conversation. Number one growing in is more important than growing up. Number two, when things look very different, it doesn't mean people are doing it wrong, they're just not doing it the way you're used to. Number three, when trying to simplify, ask yourself, does it need to be done? Does it need to be done by me? And does it need to be done today? Number four, spend a day saying out loud whatever you're about to do on your phone. I tried it and let's just say the results were pretty alarming. Number five, be where your feet are. Think about that as a way to become present in whatever you're doing. If you want to get Bunny's Matrix DM her on Instagram at Bunny has Six legs. And if you liked this episode, send it to a friend right now and follow Rate and review the show. Talk to you next time.